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american families have experienced in trying to get their loved ones freed from terrorist groups. >>love you. >.stahl: were you prepared for this? >> how could you be prepared for this? you can't. >> i never had held life and death in my hands and i'm telling you i held his life in my hands. >> you're going to fix it... now! >> steve kroft: michael fassbender and kate winslet are both up for oscars. >> fix it! >> what the? >>kroft: not because they are great actors, but because they had demanding roles in a very unusual movie that allowed them to show just how good they are. >> tell me what's wrong with you this morning. >> i just knew that it was going to be electric to be in a room with michael fassbender and danny boyle and i promise you, it absolutely was. >> i'm steve kroft. >> i'm lesley stahl. >> i'm anderson cooper. >> i'm bill whitaker. >> i'm scott pelley. those stories tonight on "60 minutes."
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>> bill whitaker: the notorious narco known as el chapo has achieved one of his greatest aspirations. he is the most famous drug lord of all time. this is our fourth "60 minutes" story about el chapo-whose real name is joaquin guzman. our first story came when he was captured after 13 years on the run. we told you then that el chapo- spanish for ¡shorty'-was on forbes list of billionaires and had earned an outsized reputation for his worldwide smuggling empire, his ruthless brutalan
his daring getaways-- like the one we told you about last year- - when he vanished from a maximum security mexican prison through one of his trademark escape tunnels. then there was our interview with actor sean penn, who met guzman at a hideaway last fall. after el chapo's stunning prison break, many thought he'd never get caught again. but he was. how? you're about to see. where in the pantheon of drug traffickers, drug lords, does el chapo fall? >> peter vincent: el chapo resides at the very top of that hierarchy. >> whitaker: peter vincent was a senior official and legal adviser of both the justice department and homeland security during the international manhunt for guzman. he says after the daring escape last summer, el chapo became almost delusional. what precipitated his downfall?
vincent: he became drunk on his own wine. he started to believe the hype that he was special, that he was almost a demigod, that he was something truly magical. and he became so incredibly arrogant that he thought he was untouchable. >> whitaker: jim dinkins agrees. as chief of homeland security investigations, he was part of the u.s./mexico task force that nabbed el chapo in 2014. >> jim dinkins: he knew how he was captured last time. and so he had the upper hand, right. he had all the cards in his hand to go off into the sunset and to learn from his mistake. but he just couldn't help himself, and he remained in the public eye. >> whitaker: after his first escape from prison in 2001, guzman virtually disappeared from sight for 13 years. but not this time. >> dinkins: here he gets out of prison, and he's on the road
having, you know, drinks, and this place, you know-- with his family members. >> whitaker: he invited sean penn, and the actress kate del castillo to come in to see him. >> dinkins: yeah. >> whitaker: did mexican law enforcement know that these two actors were going in to see el chapo? >> dinkins: oh, absolutely. they knew that sh-- where sean was going to go, when he was going to land. they knew right away. >> whitaker: how did they know? because they were listening in on the cartel's communications, and watching. mexican and u.s. law enforcement re-formed the task force that caught el chapo the last time. they were tracking not just guzman, but everyone in his inner circle, including his cook. and everyone his lieutenants contacted, including sean penn. did he become sloppy? >> dinkins: definitely. there was more sightings of him in the last six months than there was in the last ten years of before he was captured in 2014. >> whitaker: after he escaped the last time, t
you were not confident that he would ever be captured again. >> dinkins: yeah. >> whitaker: that el chapo had become a smarter criminal. did you overestimate his intelligence? >> dinkins: i truly did. here he had over a year in prison, i presumed he was using that same amount of time to think about how he was going to remain a fugitive for the rest of his life. >> whitaker: mexican officials told us that only twenty days after his escape, the marines picked up on guzman's trail. >> vincent: they created an even smaller team of mexican marines, a search bloc, and they focused on the prize at hand. that was capturing el chapo guzman alive, if they absolutely could. their first opportunity came in early october, just days after sean penn's visit. the marines told us they waited because they didn't want the american actor caught in the cross fire. a team of marines approached one of el chapo's mountain top ranches by jungle road, while another group of commandos flew in by helicopter.
so what went wrong on that october mission? >> vincent: as i understand it, despite all of el chapo guzman's bravado of being a macho, very powerful man, he was running with a child in his arms. >> whitaker: a human shield. a baby as a shield? vincent: that's the only way that one can rationally see it. >> whitaker: so once again, el chapo got away. in early december, intelligence led the marines to this house in the sleepy coastal town of los mochis in northern sinaloa. wiretap intercepts talked about a visit planned by "grandma and aunt"-- code names for el chapo and his lieutenant--known as "cholo ivan". the marines watched the house for a month as painters and construction crews came and went. then on the morning of thursday, january seventh, "grandma" finally showed up. an assault force quickly moved into position nearby.
that evening, someone in the house called out for a large order of tacos and this armored truck left to go pick up the food. chapo was having a party. >> vincent: for an incredibly savvy, clever, almost a criminal genius that el chapo guzman was, he ultimately was done in by very simple tastes. >> whitaker: what do you mean? >> vincent: tacos, tequila, and chicas. >> whitaker: at 4:40 a.m. in the pre-dawn hours of friday, january eighth, the marines began battering down the gate of chapo's safe house. we've concealed the identities of the commando leaders for their safety. >> bravo( translated ): so when we first knock on the door of this house, the shooting started. >> whitaker: a fierce gun battle erupted. the first marine through the
i watched the videotape. it's very intense. >> alpha( translated ): chapo's people inside the house were firing high-caliber rounds, grenades. so it was like a war zone. >> whitaker: the marines moved methodically through the house. chapo's henchmen retreated up the stairs. just inside the door, one gunman lay dead. down the hall, four more taken prisoner and the commandos quickly check a walk-in closet covered with full-length mirrors. up the stairs, the marines find two women, one of them the cook, cowering on the bathroom floor. outside the house, more commandos fought it out with gunmen who fled across the roof tops. when it was over, there were five cartel members dead and six in custody. but on
cholo ivan--had vanished. a couple of days later, the marines took us to the safehouse in los mochis in an armed convoy. here, just inside the gate, a pool of blood where the marine was shot. sangre. blood. and inside the door, more bloodstains, the walls pock- marked with bullet holes and the scars of exploding shrapnel. and remember that walk in closet? the mirrors masked a hidden door. behind the secret door, the entrance to one of el chapo's trademark tunnels. it's connected to a network of storm drains and sewers. it was 45 minutes before they found chapo's escape route and that morning the marines gave chase. >> alpha( translated ): we intensified the search inside the tunnels, opening the manhole covers, and inserting people in- - in those sewers. >> whitaker: then it started raining, hard.
minutes of rain, we thought the chapo may-- may-- drown in the ( bleep ) in the sewers because of the high level of the water. >> whitaker: so he popped up out of the manhole right in the middle of a busy street. >> bravo( translated ): that was his only option. >> whitaker: this is where he came out. he popped up the manhole cover. it's about a half mile from the house, straight down that road there. look carefully at this security camera footage from the gas station across the street. at 8:55 am-- four hours after the first shots were exchanged-- right there, you can see chapo and cholo ivan climbing out of the sewer. and then in this cell phone video, you can see them carjack a white v.w. jetta and speed away. the fugitives got only three blocks before the jetta broke down. so they jacked a second car, a red ford focus, but only a couple of miles out of town that car broke down.
within minutes, the federal emergency center got two reports of hijacked vehicles. on the highway out of town, the marines found the ford already on the bed of a tow-truck. but no sign of chapo or his lieutenant. they had been picked up by the federal police and taken to a nearby motel. what were they doing in the backseat of the police car? >> alpha( translated ): they weren't talking. they were relaxed. but they looked confused. >> whitaker: no one knows why the federal police took chapo to the motel instead of to jail, but peter vincent has a theory. >> vincent: el chapo undoubtedly said, "one, you let me go now and i will make you wealthier beyond your wild imaginations. if you should choose to decline my most generous offer, i am not only going to kill you but i am going to rape and kill your wife
and your daughters and i'm going to torture your sons." >> whitaker: he has behaved like that in the past? >> vincent: he has behaved like that virtually his entire criminal career. >> whitaker: bribes and threats. >> vincent: bribes and threats, bribes and bullets. and luckily the mexican marines showed up, realized what was going on and took control of the situation. >> whitaker: chapo was flown to mexico city for booking. he was paraded before reporters and returned to altiplano, the same prison from which he escaped last july. >> vincent: this time, he is rotated from cell to cell to cell. guards are circulated every 15 minutes, through whatever cell he happens to be occupying on that particular day. >> whitaker: the u.s. justice department wants guzman extradited, brought here to face charges for his crimes. seven separate jurisdictions, including new york, chicago and
san diego, all want to put el chapo on trial. juan pedro badillo is a lawyer who only has one client: el chapo. he warns extradition can be a lengthy process. how long do you think the whole extradition legal proceedings will go on? >> juan pedro badillo ( translated ): ten, 15, 20 years perhaps. or it could be one or two years. >> vincent: el chapo guzman knows that, if he is ultimately extradited to the united states it's essentially game over for him. >> whitaker: soon after chapo's arrest, the u.s.-mexico task force captured another two dozen sinaloa cartel members. >> vincent: it sends an incredibly powerful message to current kingpins, to future narco-traffickers that you may run, you may hide but ultimately this multinational force will track you down
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warren weinstein was scheduled to return home from pakistan, he was abducted and held hostage for the next three and a half years, during which time a delicate negotiation took place to secure his release. since 9/11, there have been at least 80 americans taken hostage by terrorist groups. many of the families negotiate for their release, and the details of those talks are mostly kept secret. but "60 minutes" has obtained hundreds of calls, videos and chat messages in the weinstein case that reveal the desperation of a hostage family under that kind of stress. weinstein was in pakistan as a contractor with the u.s. government working to help poor families improve their lives. the negotiations for his release were not led by the government but by weinstein's then-68-year- old wife, who lived thousands of miles away in rockville, maryland.
>> warren weinstein: listen, a lot has happened. i am in custody of these people. i think we have to trust them. >> stahl: when 70-year-old warren weinstein was kidnapped at gunpoint in august, 2011, he was dragged, bleeding, from his house, here in lahore. his wife elaine would not know if he was alive for seven months. then one early morning, she got a call from the kidnappers. they put warren on the phone. >> elaine weinstein: the first thing he said to me was, "i'm sorry i did this to you." >> warren weinstein: i am sorry i did this to you. >> elaine weinstein: don't say anything. don't say that. >> warren weinstein: okay. >> elaine weinstein: we miss you, we'll do anything to get you safe. tell them not to touch you, to take care of you. he's gone. the first thing he says to me, not, "get me the hell out of here," but, "i'm sorry i did this to you."
forget. >> stahl: they'd been married for 46 years, had two daughters and two grandchildren. warren often lived abroad without elaine, doing economic development work in places like burundi and cameroon, learning the local language and adopting the garb and customs of the country. they were not wealthy, and when the kidnappers demanded $4 million for his release, she was shocked. could you afford that? >> elaine weinstein: no. >> stahl: could you come close? >> elaine weinstein: no. if i needed $4 million, i would've come up with it. it's my husband's life. >> stahl: elaine contacted the f.b.i., which sent a team of negotiators that advised her to counter the kidnappers' $4 million ransom demand by starting low. she says they suggested $250. >> elaine weinstein: what do i know about negotiating with these people? i don't have a clue.
should do. i thought $250 was insulting. >> stahl: so instead, her first counter proposal was $21,820. the kidnappers wrote back in chat messages: "no, it is not possible. it is very low. it look like you don't want to free warren." the f.b.i., present during these exchanges, was walking a fine line. paying ransom demands that could be used to fund terrorists operations is a federal offense. it is actually against the law for a citizen like you to give money to a terrorist. >> elaine weinstein: right. >> stahl: and the f.b.i. was facilitating it? >> elaine weinstein: yes. >> stahl: now how-- how does that happen? >> elaine weinstein: the f.b.i. said to me in the beginning, "it is against the law for you to pay a ransom for your husband. but nobody has ever been prosecuted for that." >> stahl: elaine had hired an experienced hostage negotiation firm that was working with the
>> elaine weinstein: as far as i was concerned, give them the money. and i kept, "well, can't we just give them the money?" >> stahl: all of it? >> elaine weinstein: yeah, i'm-- "hey, give them the money. let's get this over with. give them the money." >> stahl: but it wasn't that simple. before turning over any money, elaine was told to get confirmation that warren was still alive. she asked for "proof of life." she wanted a detail that only warren would know. they wrote back in broken english quoting warren: "i look forward to a star day dime some with her." elaine had no idea what the message meant. >> elaine weinstein: and then the agent on my side said, "dime sime, dime, dim sum!" i said, "oh my god, that's warren." he said we're gonna have dim sum, every sunday that he was home, we went for dim sum. sometimes saturday and sunday. >> stahl: chinese food. >> elaine weinstein: yeah, that was the proof of life. because nobody else could
possibly have known these little things. >> stahl: whenever elaine talked to the kidnappers, she'd follow notes like these from the f.b.i.: "can we set up a time to talk next time? or can i email you?" "we both have goals. i need to know warren is okay." the kidnappers were getting impatient. they messaged: "if you send the money, we free him. if you not sending the money, so then we kill him and we send you the death video of warren." elaine wrote back: "please do not hurt him." the kidnappers then upped the pressure by having warren himself call and urge her to pay the money. >> warren weinstein: elaine, what they told me all along is unless they get all the money, they're not going to deliver me. >> stahl: to make sure the kidnappers didn't keep upping the ransom demand, she took the f.b.i.'s advice on how to answer warren that day: >> elaine weinstein: it's very dangerous to give t
we won't have anything left. we will have to give them our entire life savings. they'll keep asking for money until we have nothing left to give them. and i don't think they'll let you go. >> warren weinstein: the guy i'm with is saying if you give him the money, i think they'll bring me to islamabad. >> eric lebson: she delivered the message that she needed to deliver, even though she was listening to her husband in captivity being prodded to ask her to do something different. i don't know that i could do that. >> stahl: eric lebson worked on president obama's national security staff, specializing in pakistan. after the white house, he and his company levick volunteered to help elaine during the negotiations. >> lebson: this is an older woman who is now living by herself, dealing with this stress, and taking phone calls at 3:00 in the morning from kidnappers holding her husband. >> stahl: logs from the hostage team show that the calls would come in waves.
on one night, the records show, the kidnappers called elaine 18 times between one and six in the morning. >> elaine weinstein: on my mind all the time was, "you keep it together. your husband's life is in your hands." >> stahl: and this went on for almost four years. >> elaine weinstein: yeah. >> stahl: daily pressure? >> elaine weinstein: yeah. >> stahl: the kidnappers in pakistan finally agreed to $243,000. but the most important part of the process was how to make the swap. she got conflicting advice. the f.b.i. and her private negotiators disagreed and she had to decide what to do. >> elaine weinstein: the thing is my word is the last word. can you imagine? my word is the last word? i have to decide what to do. >> stahl: were you prepared for this? >> elaine weinstein: how could you be prepared for this? >> stahl: you can't. >> elaine weinstein: i never held life and death in my hands. and i'm telling you, i held his life in my hands.
>> stahl: the nightmares. >> elaine weinstein: yeah. >> stahl: every decision. did i make the right decision? >> elaine weinstein: right. again, you asked about publicity. >> stahl: yeah >> elaine weinstein: well, some said, "shout it from the rooftops." and some people said, "shh, don't tell anybody." well-- and then this is not just my team. this is also people weighing in, friends, family, calling me. "well, why didn't you do this? and why didn't you do that?" you know, give me a break. >> stahl: elaine decided to follow the f.b.i.'s recommendation and pay the ransom in installments. the plan was that after the last of three payments was delivered in front of this mosque in peshawar, warren would be delivered to a nearby hotel disguised as a devout muslim woman wearing a black burka. but after the money was given, warren was not returned.
>> elaine weinstein: and now they wanted more. >> stahl: so they got almost all. >> elaine weinstein: almost all the money and i got no warren. >> warren weinstein: my name is warren weinstein. >> stahl: over time, she watched her husband deteriorate in publicly released videos on al qaeda websites. he became more haggard; elaine would notice he had lost a tooth. >>warren weinstein: we may never see each other again. >> stahl: she came to realize warren had been transferred to a different group who didn't want money, they wanted prisoners released from pakistani prisons. but the u.s. government has a policy of not negotiating with terrorists, which has left many hostage families feeling abandoned. still, she went to see top u.s. officials including secretary of state john kerry and deputy national security advisor lisa monaco to ask for help. >> elaine weinstein: do something. you're the strongest country in
the entire world, do something. and they did nothing. >> stahl: elaine began worrying about another threat to warren: u.s. drone strikes. because the kidnappers were calling her from public phones, the f.b.i. believed that warren was being held in north waziristan, a prime target area for the strikes. she says she told lisa monaco of her fears in january 2014. >> stahl: she had the foresight to worry that the bombing could affect her husband? >> lebson: of course. she said, "we believe warren is in north waziristan. please make sure you don't accidentally kill him." and it's exactly what happened. >> president obama: i want to express our grieve and condolences to the families of two hostages: one american, dr. warren weinstein and an italian giovanni laporto, who were
counter terrorism operation. >> stahl: the president said that after hundreds of hours of surveillance over the compound, it was determined that it housed only terrorists. it wasn't until after the strike that they realized warren and the other western hostage were also there. c.i.a. director john brennan and lisa monaco went to elaine's daughter's home to explain to the family what happened, a meeting that has not been disclosed until now. >> elaine weinstein: it was like, "i told you so." i was worried about it from the first day. >> stahl: and you articulated this? >> elaine weinstein: yeah, i did. to the people that we said, "don't do this." and they acknowledged that they did it and they-- they goofed. >> stahl: so how did lisa monaco react? >> elaine weinstein: she basically started to cry. she grabbed a tissue and she said "i know."
>> stahl: the president called elaine, apologized and took full responsibility for the death of her husband. as a final indignity, the kidnappers asked for money for warren's body, which the u.s. government refused to pay for fear that kidnappers would start killing hostages and ransoming the corpses. >> warren weinstein: ok. >> stahl: the sound of warren's voice on audio tapes... >> warren weinstein: elaine, i wanted to let you know that i'm okay. >> stahl: ...13 months after his death, is excruciating for elaine. as is looking at the videos. >> warren weinstein: please give my love to the kids and tell them that no matter what happens, i love them very much. i've always been proud of them and always will be. love you. >> stahl: you didn't even look-- at the video tapes of warren that they put out. >> elaine weinstein: i saw them once. >> stahl: that was it. too distressing? >> elaine weinstein: very painful. i mean, maybe someday i'll look at them again and say, "this is all i have left."
but unh-uh, not now. >> stahl: how are you now? >> elaine weinstein: trying to go on with my life. trying to-- i'm still married to him. >> stahl: the white house, f.b.i. and c.i.a. declined our request for comment. two months after warren weinstein's death was made public, the f.b.i. created an interagency unit to work on hostage situations and share information with the families of those being held. >> this is a cbs sports update brought to you by the lincoln financial company. at the northern press open in los angeles, bubba watson shot a final-round 68 to take the title yer the second time in three ars. ad
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without screenwriter aaron sorkin and director danny boyle. >> steve jobs: for a given clock rate, a power pc chip is twice as fast as a pentium two chip. >> kroft: it was by every measure a unique and ambitious project about the inner workings of a recently deceased genius. soe meonwho saw the future, and built it by breathing life into the personal computer. defining how it would be used, and selling the idea to the american public. >> jobs: see how this reminds you of a friendly face, but the disk slot is a goofy grin? it's warm, and it's playful, and it needs to say hello. >> kroft: unlike many hollywood films, "steve jobs" wasn't built around a star. it was built around a massive theatrical script from academy award-winning screenwiter aaron sorkin on the right, then placed in the hands of academy award winning director danny boyle, on the left. >> danny boyle: everybody knows aaron sorkin's scripts. there's a huge amount of lines. there's a hu
you got to do a lot of learning to be able to get it up to pace. >> kroft: to begin with, there were more than 180 pages of dialogue, nearly twice the size of an average script. a drama in three acts that takes place backstage at three different product launches spanning 14 years in steve jobs' life. it is two hours of talk. intelligent, often humorous conversation and adversarial confrontation. >> jobs: you had three weeks. the universe was created in a third of that time. >> andy hertzfeld: well, someday you'll have to tell us how you did it. >> boyle: can i just see you? >> kroft: it was the director's job to bring action and movement to the sorkin script, which read like the sound of steve jobs' mind. >> jobs: everyone, everyone, everyone, everyone is waiting for the mac. >> boyle: it's this-- this tormented mind and what's involved in the process, as-- he saw it, of changing the world, you know. and he did change the world back then.
and it's that fevered mind. >> jobs: we're there? >> hertzfeld: i need more time. >> jobs: you can't have it. >> hertzfeld: twenty minutes! >> kroft: when it came to casting the lead, boyle thought there was only a tiny number of people who could pull off the complicated and demanding role. he was less interested in landing someone who looked like steve jobs than finding a committed actor determined to convince people he was steve jobs. >> jobs: two most significant events of the twentieth century: the allies win the war and this. >> kroft: he decided on michael fassbender, the rising irish star with the german surname and a work ethic like the man he was picked to play. >> boyle: he has a very kind of jobsian approach, i think. he's so focused and uncompromising about the way he does the work. >> kroft: is this the most complicated thing you've ever done? >> michael fassbender: it's the hardest thing i've ever done. >> kroft: fassbender had been praised for his part in quentin tarantino's "inglorious basterds." >> lt. archie hicox: well if this is it old boy, i hope you don't mind if i go out speaking the kings. >> kroan
supporting role in "12 years a slave." his range runs from macbeth: >> macbeth: so foul and fair a day i have not seen. >> kroft: to magneto, the villian in the "x-men" action franchise. but "steve jobs" was going to be different. >> fassbender: it was like an action piece in words. ( laughs ) you know-- >> kroft: no-- no exploding cars. >> fassbender: no. ( laughs ) >> kroft: no sex. >> fassbender: nope. >> kroft: not ev-- any romance. ( laughs ) >> fassbender: mmmm. ( laughter ) yeah. so, i was, like, "perfect. this is gonna be great." ( laughter ) yeah, it was just-- it was such an unusual piece of writing. >> boyle: because it was such an enormous, it was like tackling a huge-- one of the big shakespeare's, like a lear or-- >> fassbender: yeah. >> boyle: --a hamlet. or, you know, it's like a mountain to climb. >> kroft: kate winslet first heard that the steve jobs movie was casting not from her agent or producer scott rudin, but from her hair and make up person while shooting a film in australia. >> kate winslet: i just knew that it was going to be electric to be in a room with michael fassbender and danny boyle. and i honestly promise you, it
>> kroft: winslet, who has one oscar already to go with six nominations, can have just about any role in hollywood she wants. >> joanna hoffman: we're out of time. they've got to mop the floor. >> kroft: but no one seemed to be thinking about her for this one, the part of apple marketing whiz joanna hoffman, who was one of the few people who could handle steve jobs. >> kroft: you did want to do this movie. you sought out the role? >> winslet: i-- i offered my-- offered my services and-- let it be known that should they be interested in casting completely against type and considering the blonde english woman to play the dark-haired polish armenian, ( laughs ) i'd be delighted. >> kroft: with some wit and an iphone, she managed to get their attention. >> winslet: i gave them a little bit of a nudge. and i-- i put a dark-haired wig on myself and some glasses and made myself look as much like the real joanna hoffman as i possibly could. and i took a selfie and sent it to scott rudin, and-- it seemed to do the trick. and danny boyle came to australia and we had a meeting. and he asked me to play the role. >> kroft: by the time kate winslet arrived in san francisco
rest of the cast had read the script and realized they were facing a huge challenge: a fast paced drama that unfolds in hallways, on staircases and in dressing rooms. winslet, who's character was a composite of the strong women in jobs' life, found it all a bit terrifying. >> kroft: why terrifying? >> winslet: terrifying because it's 187-page script. and it flows. there's a rhythm to it. there's a pace to it that has to feel entirely accidental and fluid. and the only way to really honor that and respect those words is to know them and to not forget them. that's the hardest part. >> hoffman: start 15 minutes late so avie can recompile. just at least give us a fighting chance. >> jobs: jesus christ, how many times have we had this conversation? >> hoffman: fine! >> jobs: we're not starting late ever, we're not ever starting late. >> winslet: because if you forget even one word, one line, or you pause for just too long while sort of trying to remb
what comes next, the whole thing unravels. >> kroft: danny boyle, who spent years directing at the royal court theatre in london, knew exactly what his actors were up against and got the studio to agree to a costly six weeks of rehearsal. the cast would learn one act at a time, then film it in sequence. >> boyle: i couldn't see any other way that the actors would be able to control this beast, this huge beast of this extraordinary dialogue that he'd written as a way into this man's mind. and i thought the only way the actors can get on top of it and own it, which is the key, i think, is by breaking it down and letting us rehearse. >> winslet: we rehearsed the first scene-- well, act, first scene. and we got it-- as-- we got it down. and then we went and filmed it. and then filming would stop, and we would go back and we would shoot-- we would rehearse the second part. and then we would go in and shoot that. and then filming would stop again. and so there's this crew on hiatus while we wod
days. and then we'd go back in and shoot. so by the time we got onto the set, we were already on performance number 50, because we had been doing it for two weeks straight. >> kroft: fassbender, who had by far the most lines, saw steve jobs as a great man and a flawed human being. a visionary, and a vainglorious control freak. >> jobs: what size shirt do you wear? >> man: me? >> jobs: does anyone know what size shirt he wears? does anyone know what size shirt i wear? >> hoffman: does anyone know where the closest psychiatrist is? >> jobs: the disk fits in your pocket. >> hoffman: does it have to be a white shirt, is blue ok? >> jobs: no. the mac is beige, i'm beige. the disk is blue. the shirt has to be white. >> kroft: a brilliant motivator and recruiter of talent. >> jobs: that was cool! >> kroft: who could be an unreasonable boss, an indifferent father and an unreliable friend. >> steve wozniak: you know when people used to ask me what the difference was between me and steve jobs, i would say steve was the big picture guy and i liked the solid work bench. when people ask me what the difference is now, i say steve's an ( bleep ).
>> kroft: he's not a very sympathetic character. >> fassbender: you say that. ( laughs ) i-- yeah, i don't-- i find him to be. i think, you know, when you have such strong convictions and a lack of patience with-- that goes with it, and a sharp tongue and, you know-- elements of cruelty perhaps, you know, it's- - it can come across as-- as maybe a bit harsh for people to take onboard. i think he was an extraordinary person. and he changed the way we lived our lives. i never looked at him or approached him as an unsavory character. >> kroft: unpleasant? unsociable? >> fassbender: yeah, unsociable, i would say. yeah. you know i suppose, approaching it as actor, unpleasant isn't really something that i want to set out to play, you know. i can't really play unpleasant. but if somebody said, "play somebody who's got a lack of
patience, who's very-- you know, got a very strong vision-- is unrelenting in that vision, you know, has a problem perhaps with emotional connection," now i'm going somewhere. now i can start putting together something. >> kroft: fassbender believes jobs' anti-socal tendencies may have been a convenient way of putting distance between himself and other people, a way of managing their judgements and expectations of him. >> hertzfeld: why do you want people to dislike you? >> jobs: i don't want people to dislike me. i'm indifferent to whether they dislike me. >> kroft: all of this made little difference to job's widow who was unhappy with her husband's portrayal. apple refused to cooperate with the project. c.e.o. tim cook called it opportunistic. for the most part, the cast and danny boyle shrugged it off. >> boyle: his importance to our world now is such that you can't ignore him. you have to write as much right about these guys. and not just him, there are many, many ot-- other figures that are turning the world around, literally overnight.
so for that reason, it felt like it was important to tell a story. there is a steve that apple would like to actually present to the public. they have a character, steve, and they want to keep that story going. and it's very important that writers challenge that occasionally and not just trust their parent companies to tell them. >> kroft: danny boyle has always had an aversion to that kind of power. a working class guy with no discernible ego, he joined the ranks of britain's top directors after winning an academy award for "slumdog millionaire," and he became a national hero for directing the elaborate opening ceremony for the 2012 olympics in london. then he became very famous for turning down a knighthood from the court of queen elizabeth. >> kroft: you were offered a knighthood. boyle: yes, i was. but that, it's not really the-- it's not my cup of tea, really. i feel very, i d-- i feel very fake walking ar-- i find it difficult enough being called "mr. boyle," which as i age i'm increasingly called. ( laughter )
so, any-- anything else, i-- i wouldn't be comfortable with. >> kroft: did you know this was in the works? did you know this was coming? or did your name just appear on this list? >> boyle: no, no. you get a phone call. ( laughter ) >> kroft: and you just told 'em flat out. >> boyle: yeah. and i-- and you get another phone call to see if you'd change your mind. ( laughter ) >> kroft: no regrets. >> boyle: n-- well-- no, no. not-- not-- not-- not at all, no. ( laughs ) absolutely not. >> kroft: if either michael fassbender or kate winslet win an oscar next sunday, mr. boyle will likely be one of the first people thanked along with aaron sorkin. neither were nominated this year. they all share some disappointment that more people haven't seen "steve jobs," but they all say it's getting harder and harder to get people out of their houses and away from their t.v.s, premium cable o andn demand services which is the marketplace "steve jobs" is now moving into hoping to find a brand new audience. >> winslet: it was an amazing experience. i honestly couldn't have cared less if no one ever saw this film, because it was such an amazing expece
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potentially harmful levels of formaldehyde. after our story aired last march, the consumer product safety commission working with the centers for disease control launched a study of that laminate flooring. this month, the government published its findings. they showed the flooring gave off enough formaldehyde to irritate the eyes, nose and throat and could trigger breathing problems. it also increased cancer risks by a small amount. after the report was published, "60 minutes" was alerted to the possibility that government scientists made a major mathematical mistake in their report. we sent the report to scientists at several universities and discovered the government forgot to convert feet to meters in some calculations. that error means all the predicted formaldehyde levels from lumber liquidators flooring are 3.3 times higher than government scientists calculated, which can amount to more than 18 times higher levels of formaldehyde than those in a normal home, and triple the
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